Receiving Dividends from Non-Dividend Stocks

If you own 100 shares or more in a company that does not pay dividends but that does trade options, you can still receive income from your stock by writing covered calls. When you write a call, you are selling a derivative (financial contract whose value derives from the value of the underlying stock) that gives someone else the option to buy (typically) 100 shares of the underlying stock at a specific price (strike price). If the buyer of the contract decides to exercise the option (buy the stock at the strike price), you would be obligated to sell the shares at the strike price. With a covered call you already own the shares of the underlying stock, hence the call is “covered.” In other words, you won’t have a short position in the stock if someone exercises the call option(s) you sold. In my opinion, there’s little reason not to write covered calls if you hold 100 shares or more in a stock that has options.

So what’s the catch? Covered calls can limit your gains if the stock increases rapidly prior to the expiration of the contract. For example, say Microsoft is trading around $28 a share and you own 100 shares. You decide to write a covered call for the $30-strike expiring next month. You sell the single call contract for next month, let’s say for $0.60. So you receive $60 in premium (less commissions) for the contract. Before the contract expires, Microsoft makes a surprise announcement and the stock surges $4 to reach $32 a share. Because you’ve sold the covered call for $30, your gain on the stock will be capped at $30 because of your contractual obligation to sell at that price. You will make $2.60 (the $2 increase plus the $0.60 premium), however if you had kept the stock you could have made $4 a share instead.

If you ask me, covered calls are still a great deal as long as you are selling calls that are well out-of-the money. Selling out-of-the-money means you are selling the call at a strike higher than the current stock price. You should select a strike that would give that would provide a satisfactory annualized gain if the stock hits the strike, but that also provides adequate income if it does not. In the Microsoft example, if the stock price were to hit $30, the appreciation in price and call premium would provide a total of $2.60 profit within a period of one month. $2.60 on a $28 stock is nearly 10% and on an annualized basis would provide more than a 110% return. Anyone who expects better than a 110% return investing in stocks is probably setting unrealistic expectations. I would also hesitate to call them an investor and they may be better labeled as a gambler.

Even if Microsoft weren’t to reach $30 by the time the contract expired, you would keep the $0.60 per share in premium you received and the contract would expire worthless. The following month you could write another covered call at the $30-strike for about $0.60 again (assuming the stock doesn’t make a drastic drop before then). On an annualized basis, $0.60 a month on a $28 stock is still a 25% return. That means Microsoft could stay completely flat on the year and you would still make a 25% return. In this example the covered call provides what I would consider adequate income (25% annualized) if stock doesn’t hit the strike, as well as an excellent return if the stock does hit the strike (110% annualized).

However, if Microsoft were to experience a drastic drop, say down to $20, the $30 call for the following month would not pay nearly as much (maybe even only $0.05). If a stock has dropped well below your cost basis it may not be worth it for you to write covered calls, unless you are okay with the possibility of realizing a loss. Let’s say Microsoft does drop down to $20 the following month and your cost basis was $28 per share. In order to receive a similar amount of premium as the prior month, you would probably have to write the $22.50 call instead of the $30 call. If you were to write the $22.50 call, receive $0.60 in premium, and the stock were to rally, you would be in big trouble. If the contract expires and Microsoft is priced higher than $22.50, you would realize a $4.30 loss ($22.50 sale price minus $28 cost basis plus $1.20 premium from the calls written over the period of two months). If the stock were to up more than $23.70 ($1.20 above the $22.50 strike), you would have realized more loss than if you would have just held onto the stock without writing the second covered call.

You do have to be careful when the stock is well-below your cost basis and you perform covered calls. Many investors write calls as soon as they buy the stock. For this reason, a covered call strategy is also sometimes also referred to as a buy-write. Performing a buy-write is one way of ensuring you receive an acceptable premium in terms of your cost basis. Please note that this strategy can just as easily be used with stocks that pay dividends as well as stocks that do not. You will likely receive more income from covered calls than you would from dividends anyway, so certainly the strategy applies to dividend stocks as well. In fact, Microsoft does pay a dividend. However, at less than a 2% dividend yield, the dividend income pales in comparison to the income covered calls on Microsoft could provide.

If it sounds like something you’re interested in investing in, but would rather have someone else manage it, there are actually a few buy-write index funds that use the strategy. For example, the iPath CBOE S&P 500 BuyWrite Index ETN (ticker BWV) performs buy-write transactions on S&P 500 stocks.
iPath CBOE S&P 500 BuyWrite Index ETN vs. S&P 500

As you can see, the index fund has tended to outperform the S&P 500 during the time frame displayed, since the covered calls provide some income to offset losses. It is also interesting to note that between the middle of September of 2007 and the middle of October of 2007, the S&P outperformed the fund. This is because the S&P experienced a drastic rally in this period and the gains in the fund were capped by the covered calls. The S&P increased about 6% during this period and the fund only increased by about 2%. However, shortly after the rally the S&P it also experienced a steep drop. The iPath CBOE S&P 500 BuyWrite Index performed much better during that period. The index fund lost about 3% but the S&P fell about 10%.

If you are long on stocks and/or index funds, you should definitely consider adding covered calls as part of your overall investment strategy. Disclaimer: The stock and index fund mentioned in this article are provided for informational and illustration purposes only. The securities and derivatives discussed are for your edification and are not intended to be recommendations. If you are interested in learning more, I highly recommend reading more about options. The Options Industry Council has a lot of excellent information about options, covered calls, and other strategies as well.

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  • Having Trouble Refinancing? Borrow from a Rich Friend or Family Member

    I was talking with a friend that recently purchased his home with an ARM and did 100% financing. With little (or possibly negative equity with home prices dropping), he will certainly have a very difficult time refinancing into a fixed-rate when his rate begins to adjust. As it so happens, his mother-in-law recently inherited a large sum of money. More than likely he will end up borrowing from her and refinancing his mortgage with her. I told him I think it is a great idea, and it is basically peer-to-peer lending on a grand scale. Here are some of the many benefits of borrowing from a friend of family member:

    • Very low closing costs
    • Basically you will just have to pay the local and state government some fees (doc stamps, taxes, recording fees, etc.) for the documentation.

    • Quick recovery of closing costs
    • Because of the low closing costs, it won’t take very long at all to recover your closing costs. It will likely take on the order of a few months as opposed to years with a traditional refinance.

    • Low fixed rate
    • Your friend and relative may even be kind enough to loan to you at 0%, but a fair rate would be something between that of a standard 30-year fixed loan with an institution (assuming that is the term you use) and the interest rate of a high-balance money market account.

    • Potentially higher cash flow for borrower
    • Depending on your current financing situation, because of the lower rate, the refinance may leave more money in your pocket each month.

    • Potentially higher cash flow for lender
    • If the interest rate is higher than that of a high-balance money market account, the lender will enjoy better cash flow as well. Technically speaking, the amortization of the loan will also provide increased cash flow. However, it isn’t additional income since it is additional cash going towards the balance and the balance of the loan (investment) is declining.

    Of course, when there are benefits there are also disadvantages as well. In this case, it is the potential ill-will if you were to ever default on the loan or make late payments. So I will offer the following disclaimer: if you are late with payments or default on your loan, a family member may disown or oust you from the family, a friend may never forgive you and will no longer be your friend, and in either case you may be sued and your home may be foreclosed. In other words, I’m well aware that what I’m suggesting in this article probably goes against everything you’ve probably ever heard about borrowing/lending money to friends and family. Now you are aware of it as well.

    That being said, there is one major disadvantage for the lender. Even if you do everything by the book and set up a note and everything, if the lender ever wants to sell the note it would likely have to be at a significant discount of face value (because of the low interest rate). So the lender is more or less locked into the investment until the note matures or the home is sold. All-in-all I think it is a fairly good deal for the borrower and lender as long as both parties understand the terms, conditions, and risks.

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  • Back Assward Yahoo! Class Action Lawsuits

    Class action lawsuits made by shareholders typically take place after the stock price of a company has dropped significantly. The lawsuits are filed in hopes to find some restitution for losses. Unfortunately, by the time a class action suit is filed, the damage has already been done and rarely do the shareholders receive any significant recovery of losses. Some board members may be ousted, indictments may take place, and perhaps some sentences made, but in my opinion class action suits do very little to help shareholders. The attorneys are typically the biggest winners.

    Therefore, it must stand to reason that when class action lawsuits follow a 50% increase in the stock price, the lawsuits must have some merit. Oddly enough, I believe that this is the case with the slew of class action lawsuits that have been made against Yahoo! for denying Microsoft’s bid to buy them out. On February 1, 2008, Microsoft made an offer to acquire Yahoo! for $31 a share. The stock skyrocketed almost 50% overnight. Ten days later Yahoo! denied the bid, stating that it undervalued the company. The class action lawsuits came shortly after.

    Just as rare as it is for a class action to come after a huge increase in the stock price, I think the Yahoo! class action lawsuits are justified. I hope that it will also result in a rare win for the shareholders. It will be difficult for Yahoo! to ignore the loud and disgruntled mob, especially when it is well within the power of the board of directors to unlock the value being sought. Although Yahoo! is finding it difficult to “swallow its pride” and accept the bid, ultimately it is probably in the best interest of the shareholders to allow the acquisition to take place. Yahoo! is currently scrambling to make a better deal with someone (anyone) else, but they will be hard-pressed to come up with something that is going to satisfy the shareholders and provide the value they deserve.

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  • WealthBoy at Prosper Days

    Today marks my first trip ever to the West Coast. Although contrary to my intuition that my trip would be uninteresting to others, including regular readers of this blog (my thanks to both of you!), I’ve decided to dedicate a post to to my expedition. I must say that I have been greeted with open arms. I have met with fellow natives and residents of the great state of Florida, residents of the great states of Hawaii and Alaska, as well as those that reside in the home of Prosper Days, San Francisco California. Although I am known (although not very well) as WealthBoy, I have found myself in the habit of introducing myself with my birth-given name.

    Regardless of my introductions, I believe that Prosper Days will prove to be a productive and exciting trip for me. I only wish my better half could be here as well as our beautiful young ones. Unfortunately, we decided the trip to be much too taxing on them, and they would be better off back at home with Mom. Instead, we decided to tax Dad by sending him on the redeye back from San Francisco to Philadelphia from 10PM PST to 6AM EST (5 hours in the air). Ultimately I will arrive from Philadelphia to Jacksonville at 10:20AM the following day (8.5 hours travel time).

    The story isn’t much better from there. In my haste to secure my trip from Jacksonville to San Francisco, I failed to secure transportation from the Jacksonville airport back to my home upon my return home. Much to my chagrin, after I booked my flight I came to learn that my wife had previously scheduled a play date from 10:30 until 11AM. It takes about a half-hour to get from our home to the airport, so that means it is likely I will be home no earlier than noon.

    Being the analyst that I am, I surmised that WealthBoy(.com) does not yet provide sufficient income to merit a cab ride back home, so I am more than glad to await for the family to complete the play date to go pick up Dad. Later that day we will make the two-and-a-half hour drive to Orlando for our soon-to-be two-year-old. To be honest, it’s not really a big deal but I’m doing my best to make this story as interesting as possible. I would do anything for my family, especially if it involves having a good time with Mickey Mouse.

    All of this in the name of peer-to-peer lending. RateLadder asked if I would be blogging about the trip. I told him that I was having a very hard time with the blogging. Despite his encouragement it is hard for me to come up with original material. I told him that my best (well…. most popular) article (Gas in the U.S. is Cheap) actually began as a repost/commentary on an article about the U.S. Auto Market being in recession. So how the hell did I come to conclude that Gas in the U.S. is Cheap?

    That’s a good question that at this point I would have a hard time answering. Perhaps it may be obvious to you, or perhaps some other day when I am not wrought by jet lag and oversized west-coast margaritas I might be able to answer that question. Actually I only had one oversized west-coast margarita, one shot of excellent tequila, and many beers, but again… That’s another story.

    I’m still finding my place as a blogger as well as becoming a dispenser of good information. I’ve found that the most interesting bloggers have a propensity perform both acts exceedingly well. We shall see how I ultimately perform in my endeavor. I suppose I summed it up well when I told RateLadder, “I guess most bloggers become truly successful (bloggers) when they are able to integrate their blog well with their life.” Up until now I have not done that, but perhaps beginning with this post I will make a greater effort to do so.

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    RateLadder made a guest post on LazyMan’s blog on a strategy he is using to fund his Simplified Employee Pension Plan (SEP-IRA). A SEP-IRA is a retirement plan for individuals that are self-employed, and thus do not have an employer sponsored plan (such as a 401k or 403b). Basically, he is taking out a loan in order to fund his retirement plan. The thing that I really like about the idea is that the tax benefit will more than pay the interest on the loan (even though it is a 36-month loan)!

    Of course, the best way to fund your retirement is to make regular contributions towards a retirement account, such as a Roth IRA or traditional IRA. For 2007, the contribution limit for an IRA is $4,000. If you made regular monthly contributions, that would be $333.33 per month (plus an additional $0.04 somewhere in there). Although it is now 2008, it is still possible to contribute towards the 2007 limit until April 15 (individual tax return deadline). If you would like to max out your 2007 contribution before the deadline, do not currently have the money to do so, and you are capable of contributing $800 or so over the next 12 months, you may want to consider a strategy similar to RateLadder’s.

    If you are considering a similar strategy, I would recommend you take the loan for a year. That way your payments will approximate those for the annual contribution limits and you will pay less interest. Let’s do an example with a few assumptions (similar to RateLadder’s):

    • Your current tax bracket is 25%
    • You have at least $800 in discretionary income to contribute towards retirement
    • You are funding a traditional IRA (although a Roth IRA is better for the long term, it does not have the immediate tax advantage that will be discussed below)
    • A $4,000 loan will be taken to fund the retirement account
    • The interest rate on the loan is 10%
    • You will be making the 2007 maximum contribution of $4,000 with the proceeds of your loan
    • The loan will be paid within 1 year

    The monthly payments on a $4,000 loan that will be paid in 12 months will be $351.66. The total interest paid will be $219.96. The tax benefit from the traditional IRA will be $1,000. The net benefit from the strategy will be $760.04. If the monthly payments are only $351.66, why did I say you needed at least $800 in discretionary income to contribute towards retirement?

    The strategy really only makes sense if you intend to max out your IRA contributions every year. So that means you will need to contribute an additional $416.66 per month if you are to max out the 2008 contribution limit of $5,000. Otherwise, you would have to take out another loan next year to max out the 2008 contribution, and you would be playing catch up each and every year. If you’re going to be taking out a loan every year, you may as well just start making regular contributions now until retirement instead of using the strategy I’ve described.

    If you or your spouse already contribute towards an employer-sponsored plan (401k or 403b), there are limits to the amount that can be deducted on contributions made to a traditional IRA depending on your adjusted gross income (AGI). This will limit the amount of tax benefit for your contribution, but you can still contribute the maximum annual amount of $4,000. You can refer to IRS publication 590 for more information. The strategy could also be used to max out a Roth IRA, but you will not have the tax deduction benefit to help cover the interest expense of the loan.

    Prosper.com is definitely a good place to get a loan. Although Prosper loans are 36-month loans, it is easy enough to make over-payments to pay the loan within 12 months. You could also use a home equity loan to fund the retirement account, and take advantage of the deductible interest as well! Whatever strategy you use to fund your retirement, it is important that you do it as soon as possible. The more time your money has to grow, the more comfortable your retirement will be.

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    What does it mean to invest? Investing is the process of providing capital for the receipt of future income, appreciation in the capital, or both. In providing the capital, the investor assumes some risk: the possibility of losing some or all of the invested sum. Typically speaking, when there is higher possibility of loss there also needs to be greater gains in terms of capital appreciation and income in order to offset the risk. The best investors are those that are able to best understand and manage risk, as well as analyze and understand the potential of future income.

    Warren Buffett is no doubt one of the best investors of all time. Not only is he an excellent judge of risk and profits, but he has the uncanny ability to properly assess the value of an investment. Even if a company experiences excellent growth and profits, if it is overvalued there is some risk that eventually the valuation of the company may drop to a more reasonable level. Buffett will only invest in a company if he believes it to be fairly valued, or even better undervalued.

    So how do you determine the value of a company? There are many methods, but fundamentally speaking I like using discounted cash flows (DCF). With DCF, you discount estimated future earnings by the sum of the risk-free rate (federal government bonds) and a risk premium. The Business Plan Store has a good example here. Robert G. Hagstrom wrote an excellent book called The Warren Buffett Way, in which he provides some insight into how Buffett performs some DCF analysis to value business he has invested in. Later this week, I’ll provide you with an overview of Hagstrom’s calculations along with some examples.

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  • New to the Workforce? Contribute to Your Retirement

    If you are a recent college graduate that has just entered the workforce, you have an excellent chance for a comfortable retirement if you begin contributing to your retirement as soon as possible. If you are 24 years of age or younger, you have at least 35 years until you reach age 59 1/2 (minimum age to begin withdrawing from a retirement account without penalty). That’s at least 35 years to let the magic of compound interest work for you. What exactly does that mean? Let’s look at some numbers as an example with a few basic assumptions:

    • There are 35 years between now and your retirement
    • Your retirement investments average a 10% annual return (fairly reasonable long-term return estimate)
    • Inflation over the next 35 years is 4%
    • You invest $50 a paycheck and you are paid biweekly (26 paychecks a year)

    By investing just $50 every two weeks at a 10% annual return, in 35 years you will have $414,620.36! However, accounting for inflation, it would only be worth $154,839.47 in today’s dollars. That’s not bad pile of cash, but it won’t be enough to get you through retirement. That means you’re going to need more than just $50 a paycheck. If your employer has a 401k plan in which they provide matching contributions, it can help be a source of the extra money you will need.

    A 401k is an employer-sponsored plan, where employees can make pre-tax contributions into a retirement account. The contributions made in the account grow tax-deferred, meaning they are not taxed until withdrawn during retirement. More often than not, as an added benefit employers will contribute matching funds for employee contributions. For example, my employer will match 100% of the first 3% of salary contributed, and 50% of the next 2% of my salary. Confused? Basically, it means if I contribute 5% of my salary my employer will match with 4% of my salary.

    Let’s continue the example with the 4% match on 5% of salary. To keep things simple, let’s say that $50 biweekly is 5% of your salary and is your contribution in your 401k. That means for every $50 you put in, your employer will contribute $40 more. With $90 in biweekly contributions, in 35 years you will have $746,316.65 or $278,711.04 in today’s dollars. Of course, if you as me, you should try to contribute more than just 5% of your salary.

    So what’s the catch with the employer matching? In order to become fully vested (be allowed to keep the match), you have to remain an employee with the company for a specified amount of time. Your employer may allow you to keep all or nothing after a certain period of tenure (cliff-vesting schedule) or they may allow you to keep certain percentages after reaching certain tenure milestones (graded-vesting schedule). Regardless of your tenure, if you leave the company all of your contributions will remain yours.

    If your employer doesn’t have a 401k plan, there are other types of retirement accounts you can open on your own behalf. One of the best is a Roth IRA (Individual Retirement Account). With a Roth IRA, you make after-tax contributions into a retirement account that grows tax-free. That means when you withdraw during retirement, you won’t pay taxes on it. There are some income limitations, so if your income is too high (six-figure range) you won’t be able to contribute to a Roth IRA, but you can still contribute to a traditional IRA. With a traditional IRA, your contributions grow tax-deferred. That means you will have to pay taxes when you begin making withdrawals during retirement. So you can see, the Roth IRA is more advantageous if you qualify for it. There are annual contribution limits for both types of accounts.

    When you first begin contributing to a retirement account, if you are young and a long way away from retirement, you should put your money into aggressive growth investments. The value of the account may move up and down considerably with aggressive investments, but in the long run it should increase. As you near retirement, investments should become less aggressive in order to preserve the earnings made over the years. That means that it may be possible you may not even reach the $278,711.04 in today’s dollars mentioned in the example. However, there is some good news that will help you accumulate more wealth for retirement. As you continue working, your salary should increase as you receive merit increases, cost of living increases, and advance into positions with a higher salary. This means that your contributions will not remain constant, but should gradually increase year-after-year.

    How much money you will need for retirement depends on your life expectancy, how much you will need to withdraw each year, and what kind of return you are receiving while you are withdrawing. Maybe $1,000,000 sounds like a good number. Let’s see… Here are the assumptions:

    • You have accumulated $1,000,000 for retirement
    • You withdraw $70,000 per year
    • During your retirement, your $1,000,000 is earning 3% interest
    • During your retirement, inflation is growing at 4%, giving you effectively -1% interest

    $1,000,000 would last you about 14 years. If you start withdrawing at age 59 1/2, that means it would last you until age 73. Hmm, that’s probably not long enough. But wait, it gets worse! Although we did account for inflation during the retirement period, we forgot to adjust the $70,000 annual withdrawal for inflation. The equivalent of $70,000 in todays dollars will be nearly $300,000 in 35 years (with 4% inflation)! If you want to withdraw $300,000, your nest egg is only going to last you about three years. Yikes!

    If you need $300,000 year for 30 years in retirement, that means you will need to accumulate over $10 million! Although that may seem like an impossible task, it can be accomplished. The earlier you start, the better your chances of achieving a comfortable retirement. It gives you more time for compound interest and your increasing salary to work for you. The more you contribute each paycheck, the better your chances are as well. So what are you waiting for?!?

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    If you ask me, properly determining the value of an investment is the single most important aspect of investing. Many investors may argue that diversification is most important, but diversification will not help if the majority of investments are overvalued. In theory, the risk of loss along with the reward (expected increase in value or expected cash flow) should be what determines the value of an investment. However, in reality there is a third component that determines value: the law of supply and demand. According to the law of supply and demand, when demand increases (demand curve shifts to the right) the price will increase accordingly.


    The price P of a product is determined by a balance between production at each price (supply S) and the desires of those with purchasing power at each price (demand D). The graph depicts an increase in demand from D1 to D2, along with a consequent increase in price and quantity Q sold of the product.

    All to often, would-be investors use demand to determine the value of an investment rather than arriving to a price by properly assessing risk and reward. This mob mentality leads to an unjustified increase in the value of an investment. Ultimately the market will realize the investment has been overpriced, a lot of selling takes place, and the price falls to a more reasonable level. On occasion, the free market will underestimate the value of an investment. The price remains below the intrinsic value until either the market slowly comes to realize its underestimation, or some event takes place that exposes the market has underestimated the value of the investment. This would lead one to the conclusion that it is better to underestimate the value of an investment than to overestimate it.

    If you can’t already tell, I’m a big fan of value investing. Value investing is “the strategy of selecting stocks that trade for less than their intrinsic value.” Of course, the real challenge lies in properly determining the intrinsic value of an investment. I believe you should never let demand be a part of the equation. Some investors actually do the opposite, allowing trends in investment volume to determine their investments. However, I would label such individuals speculators rather than investors. If you are unable to determine the intrinsic value (or a conservative estimate) of an investment, you probably should not invest in it.

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  • LendingClub vs. Prosper

    Recently, I had come across an article about zopa.com and it really peaked my interest on peer-to-peer lending. In researching more about Zopa, I also came across two other major peer-to-peer lenders: Prosper and LendingClub. I researched both Prosper and LendingClub a bit and decided I liked LendingClub better, so I signed up for an account with them.

    I had problems validating my identity with LendingClub, which was extremely inconvenient. It prevented me from investing in any loans, which defeated the purpose of signing up. I then began researching Prosper a bit more and signed up for an account with them as well. I had absolutely no problems signing up with Prosper and validating my identity. Within a few days of signing up, my account was funded and I was ready to begin bidding on loans.

    As I was doing my research on both sites, I came to realize that although LendingClub touts very good loan statistics with regards to defaults and late payments, Prosper has been around much longer. I think LendingClub’s loan statistics are somewhat misleading, as they really haven’t been around long enough for a lot of loans to default. I read a post on TechCrunch about LendingClub going nationwide and provided some of my analysis in a comment on the article:

    I would take LendingClub’s stats with a grain of salt. The oldest loans were originated at the end of May, so there hasn’t been a lot of time for defaults to take place. Also, given the rising popularity of the service, the majority of those loans will have been in force much less than 7 months. I pulled the csv down from Lendingclub, and the average loan age is only 75.85 days (only 2 1/2 months).To provide a more fair comparison, I looked at some of the Prosper.com data on lendingstats.com. 2,869 grade AA-C loans were originated on Prosper.com between July 14 - December 13. I chose grades AA-C because Lendingclub only allows those with a 640 credit rating or higher to participate. Using Prosper.com’s AA-C grades approximates this restriction. The average age of these loans is 75.7 days. I selected the dates to provide approximately the same age as the lendingclub.com loans.

    Of the 2,869 Prosper.com loans, 0.87% were late, 0.82% were 1 month late, and 0.09% were 2 months late (total of 1.78% late). None of them were any later than 2 months and none of them have defaulted. Even if I went back to May 24 on Prosper.com, only 3.61% of the loans are late and still no defaults. During this time frame, 3,796 loans were originated with an average age of 100.9 days.

    I think after the loans on lendingclub.com have aged more, the statistics will likely be very similar to those of Prosper A-CC grade loans. I was all ready to open up a lendingclub.com account, but then came to the realization that the service hasn’t existed long enough to provide an accurate statistics. Also, in the process of creating my account they were unable to verify my identity. They were never able to resolve the issue and I would have had to manually verify my identity. With all the problems I had in in opening the account, I decided to take a look at Prosper and decided it was better to go with them anyway since they were more established and could provide better statistics.

    Basically, I found that loans on Prosper that were similar to those on LendingClub showed a late rate of about 1.78%. Currently, LendingClub shows a late rate of 0.44%. According to my analysis, the late rate on LendingClub is only about 1.34% better than that of Prosper.

    I can certainly appreciate the additional measures that LendingClub takes to help investors reduce the risk of losing money from late payments and defaults (640+ FICO score and ACH repayment of loans). Afterall, that was what drew me to sign up with them first (I may have stuck with them if I hadn’t had problems with validating my identity). However, I would prefer until they have been around long enough for some of the loans to default in order to get a better overall picture. For now I will stick to investing on Prosper.

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